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[Jay]

Fair enough but i feel like the way that the past appeals have gone, the best chance you've got at clearing look is to find the real culprit.

btw, is there anywhere I can view the Sky interview from the day of the funeral? I've never seen this as I was Luke's age at the time of it and not much interested in watching the news, let alone on Sky. I would be interested in finally watching it if it is available online or if anyone here has the clip?

Cheers,
J

[openmind]

It doesn't really work that way. Alternative suspects have been presented in an appeal before but they were explained away, rightly or wrongly.

Apparently someone has made a "jailhouse confession" to the JJ murder but it wasn't even considered because the case is "closed".

[nugnug]

well jailhouse confessions a uselly rubbish anyway you will only have of another prisoner that confession ever happened.

[openmind]

Absolutely, but in this case it's hard to see what the other prisoner would have to gain by it. Of course, some people falsely confess to things they haven't done.

[nugnug]

attention that's what hes got the gain witch may well be all he wants.

[openmind]

It's possible, but it hasn't been given very widespread attention, has it?

[HaveHope]

I've always wondered, who's idea was the search party? Clearly looking through trees with torches they were looking for a body.

Thats certainly one way of looking at things, its been made to look like everyone upon hearing Jodi hadn't been with Luke that the search party kinda got itself up automatically. It could also be added that Luke himself was the 1st to begin searching as he stated in the call to JuJ that he would make his way to hers via the path looking for Jodi on the way.

Its an interesting point though you have made as yes Luke would have had to have gone past the V to meet with the rest of the party. Its pretty obvious that at that point Luke was looking for Jodi as a living person, someone hanging around with others on the path as attested to by his lack of interest in the V on his initial approach. It was then that the search party went back down the path to retrace his steps suggested by Alice  Walker, It maybe impossible to say whether it was the actions of looking for Jodi in the manner you describe that made Luke realise that Mia might be more handy in some form of search mode to seek out Jodi or whether he decided this off his own back.
It might also be impossible to say what Luke felt at that point on the actions of the other three as at that time he must have sensed that others believed that something terrible had happened and his concerne would have been heightened by that point.

There was at this point no direct conversation between Jodis family and Lukes, simply just Luke and Jodis family through Judy but yes the search parties actions on that evening from the 1st inkling of jodi being missing,the sudden call to the police,the time in getting to the path,the searching of the path twice and the way the search was conducted are one of the strangest aspects of this case.

The way I see it, was that Luke wasnt going to meet the search party.  He left his home to head to the Jones house as arranged with JuJ on the phone, using Roans Dyke path as his route, and obviously keeping a look out for Jodi on the way, on the roads, on the path, but he didnt get as far as the Jones home as he was met at the top of the path, by SK, AW, and JaJ, (search party) armed with torches and ushered to walk back down the path he had just come up.  The most obvious places to look by AW, SK, JAJ, were ignored, opting for places which should have been the last place to look in my opinion, when a young girl is late home.  As for SK looking in the grass, what was he expecting to find as the grass is not long enough to conceal a body.

[HaveHope]

jay thats is a very good point if jodi was alive she wouldn't be hiding in the woods on her own in the middle of the night so why go any where near the path.

and at that time there was no reason to think she was anything other than alive.

I agree, but, if she was trying to stay out of the road of someone at 5 o'clock ish, the wooded area behind Roans Dyke path might have been a good idea at the time.

[nugnug]

but did really she had gone to the path at 5 and stayed there for over hours if they did think why did they think that.

[gordo30]

I'm still not convinced that they knew the relevance of the path in regards to the murder. I feel someone must have knew that something had happened prior to the body being found but the big deal about the path for the search party was to intercept Luke and stop him going to the Jones house for some reason.
That's why they ushered him in the opposite direction and that's why so many mobile calls between JuJ and those in the search party.
It might be possible that someone in the search party had put 2&2 together and realised what the possibilities the path may hold but its more likely that once they saw Luke with mia then it was plain and simply get him as far away as possible.
Mia put a spanner in the works when she scented Jodi.

[nugnug]

so if they were doing that wernt looking for jodi

[HaveHope]

but did really she had gone to the path at 5 and stayed there for over hours if they did think why did they think that.

I dont think they would have thought that at all.

I think it is possible that at 5 ish Jodi could have went to the wooded area, to get away from someone.  I dont think it would have been her intention to stay there for hours, but unfortunately someone done just that 

[Jay]

Am I right in saying this is GD and DF?




Is it alright I post these? Not implying anything just checking.

[Jay]

I have a couple of problems with the 10.45 call to the police. Please bear with me as this is confusing.

The call is logged in the police reports at 10.45pm as being made by Judy, reporting her daughter missing. She says she has already called the gran's and Jodi is not there.

According to the appeal document, Luke called Judy back at 22.43, following a text to Luke at 22.41 from Judy's phone telling Jodi to get home. But that simply can't be, as this call lasted 2 minutes and a few seconds, and there is a call from Judy to AW's landline at 10.44

So, if we go back to the original timings of the text at 10.38 and the call at 10.40, Judy gets off the phone to Luke between 10.42 and 10.43, calls AW at 10.44, and is on the phone to the police at 10.45, confirming that Jodi is not at her gran's.

So why did she then phone Luke back at 10.49 and say "I'm calling the police," when she'd already done so?

Why did AW say she told Judy to call the police in the 11.03 phone call, if she'd already done so? And where did the stories about trying to call Jodi's friends, and checking Jodi's room to make sure she wasn't there after the 10.44 call come from?
(Just try this scenario on for size - if these statements are to be believed, Judy has called the police to report Jodi missing before she's even checked Jodi's room to see if she is there.)

Why did Judy have to call directory enquiries for the number of the police, if she'd already called them?

There are another two logged calls reporting Jodi missing - one at 11.05, and one at 11.20. Now, rather oddly, we've got Judy on the phone to the police and Janine at the same time.

I can fully understand calling the police back if they haven't responded to a call reporting a missing teenage girl - I'd be calling them every five minutes if it was one of mine.

But the later claims about calling the police make no sense, in light of the initial call at 10.45, which does not seem to have been mentioned to anyone, not even Gran.

Sorry to dig up an old post, but i've seen mention of this timing before which has confused me.

Do you not think maybe just various clocks were perhaps afew minutes off? Lukes phone/judy's phone/police record of the time?

Could that possibly explain this? You know more than me, so ignore me if somehow the times have all been confirmed accurate.